This post is necessary for the Real Craps Game video that will come this Thursday.

A few people have asked about more high stakes videos. Well, this Thursday, I will be posting a high stakes craps game that involves put bets. At first, I was going to do another high stakes video involving pass line+odds or come+odds. When it comes to high stakes bets, I refuse to give up too much advantage to the house. The problem with the RoadGambler method of play is that I’ve already done it three times on video; it was time for something new.

CRAPS PAYOFFS - Craps Payout Chart. (Odds) 4 and 10: 1 to 2: 5 and 9: 2 to 3: 6 and 8: 5 to 6: Field Bets: 3,4,9,19 and 11: 1 to 1: 2: 2 to 1: 12: 3 to 1: Place. Place Bet Payouts. When making a Place Bet you must be mindful of wagering the right values or you will not receive the maximum odds for that bet. Generally Place Bet payouts are paid as follows: Placing 6 or 8 - 7:6 payout; Placing 5 or 9 - 7:5 payout; Placing 4 or 10 - 9:5 payout; In order to receive the maximum payout for your bet you should.

At the same time, as few people on various Facebook groups were asking about put bets. That’s where I hatched the idea of a put bet video.

It is time to put out another high stakes game while also answering the question of, ‘what is a put bet?’

For the very short and simple explanation, skip to the very end.

WHAT IS A PUT BET?

A put bet is simply a pass + odds or come + odds combination where the player gives up the advantage of the come out roll. That’s all there is to it.

Here is a pic from the upcoming game. This is $5250 worth of put bets. Like I said, it’s going to be a high stakes game with yours truly playing it out for your entertainment.

For reference, the pass line or come bet portion of the bet is known as the ‘flat’ because it pays even money.

Here is a close up that breaks up and shows the flat and odds part of the bet…

With standard pass+odds and come+odds betting, the player has a 2 – 1 advantage on the flat bet on the come out roll. On a put bet, the player gives up this advantage.

Reasons why Players May Prefer Put Bets

Players typically prefer put bets (over pass+odds or come+odds) for the same reason players prefer place bets.

Some players hate to see numbers rolled and not be paid.

Also, with a put bet, the player can select which number to bet and ‘put’ that number. Players who believe in ‘trends’ value the ability to select the number as a great advantage.

With a come bet, the player does not select the number; rather the dice selects the number.

WHEN TO USE PUT BETS OVER PLACE BETS

The following is the break even point for a put bet and place for each point is as follows..

• Point of 6 or 8, 5x odds
• Point of 5 or 9, 4x odds
• Point of 4 and 10…

• —If the commission is paid after the win, the player needs 19x
• —If the commission is paid before the win, the the player needs only 6x odds

(source: Wizard of Odds)

Note that the above is only true if the player has his or her odds working 100% of the time. If the player does not work the odds 100% of the time, the multiplier is higher.

Here is what I mean by the ‘break even point’…

On a place bet of 6 or 8, a $30 win on either number pays $35

On a put bet of 6 or 8, a $30 win on either number also pays $35.

Both bets pay exactly the same amount.

On a put bet of 6 or 8, the $30 bet is broken down into $5+$25. In such a bet, the flat pays $5 and the odds pay $30, for a total of $35. Remember that for this break even point to be true, the odds must work 100% of the time.

Example of Why a Put Bet Can be Better than a Place Bet

Let’s say the point is 6.

• —win will pay $70

• Put bet of $60, which is broken into $5 + $55 (11x odds)

• —the payout on a win will be $5 on the flat and $66 on the odds, for a total of $71

So on the same bet, the player wins an extra $1 for the same win-loss conditions as a place bet.

Let’s use a higher multiplier than 11x. Let’s assume the player is a high roller and plays on a 100x max odds table.

• —a win will pay $700

• put bet of $600, which is broken into $10 + $590 (59x odds)

• —the payout on a win will be $10 on the flat and $708 on the odds, for a total of $718

So on the same $600 bet, the player wins an extra $18 for the same win-loss conditions as a place bet.

Let’s do another example with another point.

Point of 5

• —win will pay $140

• put bet of $100, which is broken into $10 + $90 (9x odds)

• —the payout on a win will be be $10 on the flat and $135 on the odds, for a total of $145

So on the same $100 bet, the player wins an extra $5 for the same win-loss conditions as a place bet.

Let’s use a higher multiplier for the same point of 5. Let’s assume the player is a high roller and plays on a 100x max odds table.

Point is 5

• —win will pay $700

• put bet for $500, which is broken into $10 + 490 (49x odds)

Payouts On Craps Bets

• —the payout on a win will be $10 on the flat and $735 on the odds, for a total payout of $745

So on the same $500 bet, the player wins an extra $45 for the same win-loss conditions as a place bet. This means the player receives an extra $45 for doing nothing more than ‘knowing’.

This is another reason why 100x tables are so powerful. Many players argue that 100x odds games have no inherent advantage because, in the end, the 100x bettor and the $5 low roller will have the same, realized loss. But a 100x max odds table allows for players to ‘put’ higher odds, which results in winning extra money for doing nothing more than having knowledge.

Why It’s Important to Know the Break Even Multiplier

If you go below the break even multiplier, you are better off placing the number.

Place Bet Odds

The following is an example of why…

Point is 5

• —win will pay $42

• put bet for $30, which is broken into $10 + $20 (2x odds)

• —the payout on a win will be $10 on the flat and $30 on the odds, for a total payout of $40

So on the same $30 bet, the player loses $2 on the put bet because the multiplier was not high enough. That’s why it’s important to know the break even multiplier.

If you are in doubt, then go with this imperfect rule across the board: your odds must be at least 5x in the points of 5, 6, 8, and 9 and do not put the 4 and 10. It’s not a perfect rule, but it will prevent you from losing too much.

HOW TO MAKE A PUT BET

To play the put bet, tender your chips in the same way you would tender your chips for a place bet and say that you want to put the number.

The result of you saying ‘put’ is that the position and stacking of your chips should look like a come bet.

You can put multiple points. If you put multiple points, it would avoid confusion (and is polite to the dealer) to cut out your individual puts first. For example, if you’re placing 6 and 8, you can just tender $120 in one stack.

But if you put 6 and 8 for $50 each, cut your chips into two $50 stacks.

WARNING: if your bet is positioned and stacked like a place bet, then it’s a place bet. You will be shorted on the payout if you do not verify that it is a put and not a place bet. Just for reference, here is what your put bet positioning should look like…

To make sure, ask your friendly dealer, is that a ‘put bet or a place bet?’ I generally do not like yes or no questions in this case because the casino environment can be loud.

DOWNSIDE TO THE PUT BET

There are three major downsides to the put bet.

The first downside is that sometimes dealers are not familiar with put bets, and here can be confusion about what to do. You will see an example of this a couple of times in the put bet videos.

The second downside is that many casinos, where it would be advantageous to use put bets, do not allow put bets. That’s really the main problem with put bets. They’re hard to find.

The third problem is that put betting requires a rather stout bankroll to play for any period of time. Players on a limited bankroll – such as $100 – are not going to be able to use put bets, unless they want to have a very short stacked bankroll.

Addendum:

Reader Henry S. asked two great questions about the put bet that requires me to add this downside, especially if you’re the type of player who likes to move his or her place bet around.

The put bet is treated exactly like a pass+odds and come+odds combo. The player can call off or take down the odds portion of the bet, but the flat is a contract bet.

Similarly, if the player wishes to move their put bet number to another number, the player must pay for the flat portion of the new number. The ‘old’ number would then have a name flat bet with no odds, and the player would play it out as it it had no odds.

Without spoiling too much of what is to come in the videos, you will see this in action in Part 2. It will become very clear.

ROADGAMBLER THOUGHTS ON THE PUT BET

I prefer pass and come bets to the put bet.

Mathematically, pass and come + odds are still a better play. For the players who absolutely insist on the place bet, if the casino allows put bets, and the player is playing high enough of a multiplier, there is little reason to not use the put bet.

TL;DR

Put bets are simply the pass+odds or come+odds combination bet where the player foregoes the come out roll. The bet is paid exactly like how a pass+odds or come+odds would be paid.

The casino has the advantage on the flat bet portion of the put bet, but on the odds portion of the put bet, there is no house edge.

That’s it!

If you’re still confused, you will be able to watch actual putt bets in action this coming Thursday.

In the meantime, if you have any questions or comments, feel free to drop them in the comment section below.

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It’s no surprise that multitudes of strategies have been developed around place betting the (6) & (8) as these numbers give the craps player one of the be best advantages of beating the casinos.

First of all, both the (6) and the (8) are the numbers likely to roll most often, next to the (7). There are 5 ways to roll (6), 5 ways to roll an (8), and 6 ways to roll a (7).

It doesn’t stop there. Here’s are some more advantages of Place Betting the (6) and/or (8).

• Place Bets only need to be hit once to win, versus a Pass Line or Come Bet, which needs to be hit twice
• The payout on a Place Bets exceeds that of Pass Line or Come Bets at lower betting levels
  • It takes approximately 5X odds before the benefits of PL/Come Bets exceed that of Place Bets
• Place Bets can be made or taken down at any time the player wants versus PL/Come bets which are contract bets
• The player controls the numbers that are bet, versus the roll of the dice being the determining factor
• Already mentioned, the (6) and (8) are most likely to be rolled aside from the (7)
• Betting both the (6) and (8) gives you a 10 to 6 advantage of one of your numbers hitting before the (7)
• The house edge on place betting the (6) or (8) is only 1.52%, one of the lowest on the table

If the toolbox of strategies you bring to the craps tables does not include a (6) and (8) strategy, then it might be time to find one that works for you.

We’ll cover a few of the most popular, and some not-so-popular 6/8 strategies for you to assess and possibly include in your own repertoire of strategies.

Secrets Tip – Never bet the Big 6 or Big 8 located at the corners of the table. They carry a 9.09% House Edge versus Place Betting the same numbers for a 1.52% House Edge.

All examples include betting both the (6) and (8) on a $10 minimum craps table.

6 & 8 Collect and Press

• Place Bet both the (6) and (8) for $12 each (Total $24)
• Take these steps on the (6) and (8) independently
  • 1^st Hit – Collect and rack the $14 in winnings (you now only have $10 of your money at risk)
  • 2^nd Hit – Press your bet to $24
  • 3^rd Hit – Collect and rack the $28 in winnings (now your up $20)
  • 4^th Hit – Press your bet to $48
• From here, you can either continue alternately ‘collecting’ and ‘pressing’ your bets through the end of the roll or take down your bets at any point in the progression you want.

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Craps Place Bet Payout Chart

6 & 8 One Unit Continuous Press

• Place Bet both the (6) and (8) for $12 each (Total $24)
• Take these steps on the (6) and (8) independently
  • 1^st Hit – Win $14 – Press your bet by $6 to $18 (collect & rack $8)
  • 2^nd Hit – Win $21 – Press your bet by $6 to $24 (collect & rack $15)
  • 3^rd Hit – Win $28 – Press your bet by $6 to $30 (collect & rack $22)
  • 4^th Hit – Win $35 – Press your bet by $6 to $36 (collect & rack $29)
• Either continue to press one unit each time one of your numbers hits, or take down one or both of your bets at any point you want.

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6 & 8 – $72 Regression

• Place Bet both the (6) and (8) for $36 each (Total $72)
  • 1^st Hit – Win $42
  • Immediately take both the (6) and (8) down to $12 each
  • You’re now positive $18 and only have casino winnings on the table
• Use the (6) and (8) Collect and Press for the remainder of the shooter’s roll

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6 & 8 – 1-3-2-6 Positive Progression Strategy

Craps Place Bet Payouts

• Place Bet both the (6) and (8) for $12 each (Total $24)
• Take these steps on the (6) and (8) independently
  • 1^st Hit – Win $14 – Drop $10 and press the bet to $36 (Net winnings = -$34)
  • 2^nd Hit – Win $42 – Drop your bet to $24 (Net winnings = $18)
  • 3^rd Hit – Win $28 – Drop $60 and press your bet to $72 (Net winnings = $0)
  • 4^th Hit – Win $84 – Take all bets down (Net winnings = $168)
• After taking your bets down and collecting your net winnings of $168, you can wait for the shooter’s roll to end or decide to start the betting progression over.

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6 & 8 – $48 Hit and Spread

• Place Bet both the (6) and (8) for $24 each (Total $48)
  • 1^st Hit – Win $28
  • Immediately take the (6) and (8) down to $12 each
  • Add the (5) and (9) for $10 each
• After the 1^st Hit, you’ll now have 4 inside numbers covered for a $16 investment.
• Utilize a collect and press strategy for the remainder of the roll.

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6 or 8 – Low Roller Inside Spread

• Place the (6) or (8) for $12 (Total $12)
  • 1^st Hit – Win $14 – Rack $2 and place the opposite number for $12 (Net = -$10)
  • 2^nd Hit – Win $14 – Collect and rack $14 (Net winnings = $4)
  • 3^rd Hit – Win $14 – Rack $4 and place the (5) or (9) for $10 (Net winnings = $8)
  • 4^th Hit – Win $14 – Rack $4 and place the opposite 5/9 for $10 (Net winnings = $12)
• You now have all inside numbers covered AND a $12 profit.
• Utilize the collect and press strategy for each number covered through the end of the roll.

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6 or 8 – Low Roller Run Up

• Place the (6) or (8) for $12 (Total $12)
  • 1st Hit – Win $14
    • Parlay your winnings and add $4 to your bet
    • Bet is now $30 – Total investment $16
  • 2nd Hit – Win $35
    • Parlay your winnings and add $1 to your bet
    • Bet is now $66 – Total investment of $17
  • 3rd Hit – Win $77
    • Take all bets down
• Collect $126 in winnings ($14+$35+$77) from a total investment of $17
• At this point, you can either start the strategy over or wait for the next shooter

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There are many other variations out there, and if you didn’t find one you’re comfortable with above, a quick google search will uncover many, many more.

Keep in mind, no strategy will change the house edge (casino advantage) on the bets placed. The goal is find the betting strategy that works for you and your bankroll and apply it at the right times at the table.

Feel free to share your own (6) and (8) betting strategies in the comments below.

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BEST OF LUCK AT THE CASINOS!!!